Comments on: "Q" and "A": Which One Of These Things is Not Like The Other? http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/ The Authority for News & Opinion on the War of the Desktop Publishing Giants QuarkXPress and Adobe InDesign Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:26:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: joe http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-123759 Fri, 07 May 2010 14:13:36 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-123759 why are you arguing about this? it is feeble. why are you arguing about this? it is feeble.

]]> by: Samuel John Klein http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-791 Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:44:31 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-791 Well put, Skyline. Well done comment, Kep. Well put, Skyline.

Well done comment, Kep.

]]> by: Skyline http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-790 Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:03:23 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-790 Kep, your report from PrintExpo is the first thing I've read here (including my own words) that deals with factual events and not just opinion. It is everything and more that I feared about the "new" Quark. The evidence keeps mounting that Quark is doomed, and I am so grateful that I have invested in neither their software (since 1999) or stock (ever). There will always be a few hangers-on and Quark apologists but they are equally doomed to be left behind in the creative and printing fields. There are still print vendors that cling to the folly that it's still a Quark World and refuse to support InDesign, or the cutting edge PDFs exported from InDesign. Dinosaurs in the making. Kep, your report from PrintExpo is the first thing I’ve read here (including my own words) that deals with factual events and not just opinion. It is everything and more that I feared about the “new” Quark. The evidence keeps mounting that Quark is doomed, and I am so grateful that I have invested in neither their software (since 1999) or stock (ever).

There will always be a few hangers-on and Quark apologists but they are equally doomed to be left behind in the creative and printing fields. There are still print vendors that cling to the folly that it’s still a Quark World and refuse to support InDesign, or the cutting edge PDFs exported from InDesign. Dinosaurs in the making.

]]> by: Jeff http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-788 Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:28:35 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-788 Anyone who believes Quark 7 will do everything InDesign CS2 (version 4) can do is kidding themselves. Quark wiill be lucky if it can roll out enough completely new features AND get feature parity with InDesign 2. Typical Quark marketing... As for the branding, I thought this was a step in the right direction for them until I saw the nearly identical logos popping up. It was imperative that Quark do this right. They are under a lot of scrutiny right now and should have anticipated that people were going to pick this apart. It seems obvious, at least to me, that people who are more critical of the company would be looking for similar logos. Proper research would have prevented a logo SO similar to another. Anyone who believes Quark 7 will do everything InDesign CS2 (version 4) can do is kidding themselves. Quark wiill be lucky if it can roll out enough completely new features AND get feature parity with InDesign 2. Typical Quark marketing…

As for the branding, I thought this was a step in the right direction for them until I saw the nearly identical logos popping up. It was imperative that Quark do this right. They are under a lot of scrutiny right now and should have anticipated that people were going to pick this apart. It seems obvious, at least to me, that people who are more critical of the company would be looking for similar logos. Proper research would have prevented a logo SO similar to another.

]]> by: Kep http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-785 Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:44:09 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-785 I was at PrintExpo last week here in Chicago, and as near as I can tell, they rolled the new look out specifically for this show. I was unaware what the logo looked like, as Quark had sent out an announcement e-mail that morning that referred to a remote logo image that couldn't be retrieved. Then at the show, when I did find their booth, my immediate thought was, "what's with the big A?". (I had some speculative answers that are neither productive nor appropriate to repeat here.) As a loyal Quark user since 1992, I keep going to these shows hoping to be reassured. This was the third show in a row when I was not only NOT reassured, but was convinced even more that there was no point in building new projects in Quark. Their releases of 6 and 6.5 are (I'm sure) well griped-about here, and the two-hour seminar I attended about the new flashy things in the upcoming (read: within the next 6 to 18 months) Quark 7 informed me that Quark 7 will do most (but still not all) of the things that InDesign does now. They couldn't show all of them, of course, as all they had to demo with was an alpha version of 7. The presenter was great and did her best to cut through the chirpy marketing pap of the Quark rep next to her, but she was stuck demoing a very unstable product in front of a room full of skeptics who, like me, were there hoping to be told great new things about why we should stick with Quark. So my heart and my admiration goes out to her, but the fact that we paid $110 (thankfully to the show, not directly to Quark) to watch Quark bog down or crash for two hours is infuriating. Heck, I can watch Quark bog down here and I get PAID for it. This logo silliness is just the latest cosmetic change to mask the same old problems. Quark's booth had reps grabbing people from the aisles and handing out buttons, pens, and shirts, while Adobe's booth simply had informed people doing demos. It was kind of pathetic - seems to me everyone knows who's in control. It's really too bad - I used to love Quark. Now all I have is this lousy t-shirt ... and the button ... and the pen ... (maybe they'll be collector's items with Quark's soon-to-be ceased-and-desisted-logo-folly on them, though - if I can get $110 for it all, I'll feel better). I was at PrintExpo last week here in Chicago, and as near as I can tell, they rolled the new look out specifically for this show. I was unaware what the logo looked like, as Quark had sent out an announcement e-mail that morning that referred to a remote logo image that couldn’t be retrieved. Then at the show, when I did find their booth, my immediate thought was, “what’s with the big A?”. (I had some speculative answers that are neither productive nor appropriate to repeat here.)

As a loyal Quark user since 1992, I keep going to these shows hoping to be reassured. This was the third show in a row when I was not only NOT reassured, but was convinced even more that there was no point in building new projects in Quark. Their releases of 6 and 6.5 are (I’m sure) well griped-about here, and the two-hour seminar I attended about the new flashy things in the upcoming (read: within the next 6 to 18 months) Quark 7 informed me that Quark 7 will do most (but still not all) of the things that InDesign does now. They couldn’t show all of them, of course, as all they had to demo with was an alpha version of 7.

The presenter was great and did her best to cut through the chirpy marketing pap of the Quark rep next to her, but she was stuck demoing a very unstable product in front of a room full of skeptics who, like me, were there hoping to be told great new things about why we should stick with Quark. So my heart and my admiration goes out to her, but the fact that we paid $110 (thankfully to the show, not directly to Quark) to watch Quark bog down or crash for two hours is infuriating. Heck, I can watch Quark bog down here and I get PAID for it.

This logo silliness is just the latest cosmetic change to mask the same old problems. Quark’s booth had reps grabbing people from the aisles and handing out buttons, pens, and shirts, while Adobe’s booth simply had informed people doing demos. It was kind of pathetic - seems to me everyone knows who’s in control.

It’s really too bad - I used to love Quark. Now all I have is this lousy t-shirt … and the button … and the pen … (maybe they’ll be collector’s items with Quark’s soon-to-be ceased-and-desisted-logo-folly on them, though - if I can get $110 for it all, I’ll feel better).

]]> by: Sylvain Lemire http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-784 Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:15:00 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-784 I think they looked too much for a simple logo, thus making it impossible to do something without resemblance to anything out there. I think they looked too much for a simple logo, thus making it impossible to do something without resemblance to anything out there.

]]> by: Jennifer http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-783 Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:01:47 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-783 Oh, my. How embarrassing. As a new designer, I have fears of something like this happening to me. Makes me wish I knew of a list of logos somewhere, so I could safeguard myself from this kind of folly. But I sure do feel bad for Quark - not bad enough to say that the change of dress is going to make me want to use the product any more - although the green is quite nice. Oh, my. How embarrassing.
As a new designer, I have fears of something like this happening to me. Makes me wish I knew of a list of logos somewhere, so I could safeguard myself from this kind of folly. But I sure do feel bad for Quark - not bad enough to say that the change of dress is going to make me want to use the product any more - although the green is quite nice.

]]> by: gordo phleb http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-778 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:46:55 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-778 I think this about sums it up, from Quark's own webpage: "Macworld's editors' choice for most-improved page layout program" sad. I think this about sums it up, from Quark’s own webpage:
“Macworld’s editors’ choice for most-improved page layout program”
sad.

]]> by: Skyline http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-775 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:51:11 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-775 The other part of the story is that early on Friday, when most folks opened their e-mails announcing the new logo, the new logo WOULD NOT DISPLAY! The link to the website, similarly, would not reveal more than a tiny "X" where the logo should have been. Later in the day, Quark fixed this, and it has been speculated that the culprit was "simply" a missing link! Simply!!!??? Gee, I wonder if Quark 7 will undergo such thorough testing before it is foisted on the public? The other part of the story is that early on Friday, when most folks opened their e-mails announcing the new logo, the new logo WOULD NOT DISPLAY! The link to the website, similarly, would not reveal more than a tiny “X” where the logo should have been.

Later in the day, Quark fixed this, and it has been speculated that the culprit was “simply” a missing link! Simply!!!??? Gee, I wonder if Quark 7 will undergo such thorough testing before it is foisted on the public?

]]> by: Samuel John Klein http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-774 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:08:37 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-774 Ouch indeed. It must smart to come up with this big, image-remaking image makeover just to find that not only did someone else come up with something that looks so close, but also that designers are buzzing about it. And some of the comments over on Metafilter are close to downright mean. Quark still has a big job on thier hands. Ouch indeed. It must smart to come up with this big, image-remaking image makeover just to find that not only did someone else come up with something that looks so close, but also that designers are buzzing about it.

And some of the comments over on Metafilter are close to downright mean. Quark still has a big job on thier hands.

]]> by: Rob http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-773 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:40:19 +0000 http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/q-and-a-which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#comment-773 Ouch. Ouch.

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